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  What Is "Counsel" and How Does It Work?

  by Cold Steel in

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  yes, i know what "counsel" means, but it clearly has an esoteric meaning.

  in the academy award winning bunker video series, the noble brother brown admits he didn't handle it well when elder ben (who was a junior elder...uh, yes, that's right) gave him counsel about a talk he'd given.

  not enough use of scriptures.

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  I've never actually been to a Kingdom Hall, but I've heard the term "counseled" used here repeatedly. Even when it hasn't, I've heard stories where JW members have had other members give advice that, had it happened in my church, would have resulted in some quick counter counsel.

  But when you say a JW rep is the "final word," do you mean no one would dare counsel him (but that he is free to counsel others)? What about women who poke their noses into the affairs of other women? Is that called "counsel"? Can a woman counsel a man?

  Paul said let women keep silent in the churches, but quoting that particular passage can result in grave physical and psychological...distress. But given the Society's penchant for literal exegesis (like the blood thing), I'm surprised women don't have to cover themselves and confine their questions to their husbands.
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  The Evils of Aluminum

  by NeonMadman in

  1. watchtower
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  aluminum was an issue that became a real “tempest in a teapot” for the watchtower.

  it influenced their teaching for almost 50 years and, frankly, created an impression among observers that their members were off-the-wall fanatics.

  for all those years, the golden age and other watchtower publications took the position that aluminum cookware and utensils were one of the great health hazards of the 20th century.

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  I'm not aware of any recent studies indicating that aluminum is a health hazard. It's still one of the active ingredients in antiperspirants and if there was any evidence to show that it was a link between it and Alzheimer's, you'd be hearing about it.

  I'm not sold on the idea that aluminum is entirely safe, but if so, it certainly hasn't been proven. Pertaining as to any vindication of the Society, even if it was right, it would be no more or less significant than if it had been published in the Christian Science Monitor. Ultimately it's the instinct of the editor, the research of its reporters and the confirmation of data and scientific results that result in the accuracy of its publication. Finally, it's the freedom to publish (governmental and corporate) that gives the publication its drive and interspection.
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  What Is "Counsel" and How Does It Work?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, i know what "counsel" means, but it clearly has an esoteric meaning.

  in the academy award winning bunker video series, the noble brother brown admits he didn't handle it well when elder ben (who was a junior elder...uh, yes, that's right) gave him counsel about a talk he'd given.

  not enough use of scriptures.

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  Cold Steel

  Yes, I know what "counsel" means, but it clearly has an esoteric meaning.

  In the Academy Award winning bunker video series, the noble Brother Brown admits he didn't handle it well when Elder Ben (who was a junior elder...uh, yes, that's right) gave him counsel about a talk he'd given. Not enough use of scriptures.

  Is this a common practice -- giving unsolicited advice to people? Is it something only elders do or can anyone just barge in at a Kingdom Hall? Can regular members give elders counsel? Or can an elder give a circuit overseer counsel?

  How does this work?
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  OT - Pork was unclean... NT Now it's not?

  by pleaseresearch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this always baffled me.

  either pork is unclean and wrong to eat forever, or it was a load of bull to begin with..

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  I'm not agreeing with this guy but I found his views fascinating. Very close to Seventh Day Adventists. Frankly, he looks like Steve Rogers before they slipped him that super soldier serum. A 12 ounce rare New York strip with some french fries 🍟 wouldn't hurt him too much.

  https://youtube.com/watch?v=GBX46GVZEyY
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  Cofty » Please fuck off. We have all had more than enough of ridiculous cults.

  Ummmm...no.

  I'll lay off religion if you leave off your stupid evolution pontifications.

  And I'm unimpressed with your feeble mastery of Google Search.

  https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=YL-NXToiksQ

  https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=V38jsyMnyIs

  https://youtube.com/watch?v=MRU6-vAQ4LA

  
  

  
  
  
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  If Abraham had gone to Kingdom of Heaven, why not John the Baptist?

  by anointed1 in

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  jesus rated john the baptist as the greatest “among those born of women” (luke 7:28) hence after his death he should naturally go to heaven—especially so lesser ones like enoch, abraham are already in the kingdom of heaven.

  (hebrews 11: 5, 6; 13-16).

  in view of the direct statement of jesus: “i say to you that many will come from the east and the west to share the banquet with abraham, isaac, and jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (mathew 8:11), people like abraham are definitely in heaven.

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  According to the WTBTS, John died before Jesus was crucified and resurrected; thus, he belonged to the class of prophets who came before Jesus and who were heirs of the Paradise Earth great crowd. Those who were alive at Jesus' resurrection and were saved became Jehovah's faithful heavenly heirs.

  Many Christians believe that because Jesus took upon himself the sins of the world that he had, therefore, the least claim upon the Kingdom of God. Yet because of his sinless nature, he was also the greatest. Thus it was that Jesus was speaking of himself.
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  Heaven » My Father looked very suspiciously at my Hobby Farms Home magazine....

  As he should have, you demonic apostate!

  You need inspirational works like Watchtower, Awake and Guns & Ammo.

  
  

  
  
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  Where Does It Say JWs Can't Read Pubs By Other Churches?

  by Cold Steel in

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  can jws read publications by other churches?

  or by atheists?

  i've always heard these are apostate materials.

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  Vidiot » ...he said, without a trace of irony.

  Yes, and with good reason. The evidence of the first century church is in its witnesses. People saw Jesus' miracles such as his healing of the sick and raising the dead. Peter, James and John witnessed the events on the mount of transfiguration, setting Moses and Elijah; and the scriptures themselves say that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

  The same is true of the latter-day saints. Many people witnessed the modern day miracles such as the healing of the sick and the raising of the dead, just as in ancient times. We also have witnesses of the Book of Mormon and the ministry of angels and many of our early apostles had visions. Many witnessed the landing of the quail and the appearance of honeydew, which fed the early latter-day saints, as well as the miracle of the seagulls in Utah. And these accounts are in their journals.

  But the JWs have no such claims. No angelic visitations, no revelations, no prophecies, nor miracles and, of course, no witnesses. How could they then claim the keys of authority given to Peter?

  Had Charles T. Russell seen visions, entertained angels, been given given authority by those with authority and in the presence of witnesses, they would have a far greater case. But none of these exist. So how could they know of the invisible return of Jesus or his inspection of the churches of Christendom in 1918-19?

  That's my point.

  
  
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  Where Can One Get Answers To Questions From JWs?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there's also a fellow who calls himself the "watchman," but he seems as critical as many of the so-called "apostates.

  " is there a place where one can ask questions from knowledgeable believers or "a" believer?

  i really don't want to take the bible lessons.

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  WELL BEARDS ARE STILL A NO NO!!!!!!

  by DwainBowman in

  1. watchtower
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  well beards are still a no no!!!!!!.

  in a new letter from the branch/gb nut's, beards are not acceptable in the us branch area!!!!!!.

  my eldub brother in law, shared this today.

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  But if the GB does not receive revelation from God and if the GB members aren't infallible, then it would be like circumcision before Peter received the revelation on it. So what can happen to a brother (or sister) who grows unauthorized facial hair? Will the church leaders withhold baptism from a convert from a neatly trimmed beard?

  What if someone's already a member? Can anyone really believe God would withhold resurrection from someone with a beard?

  Does this mean Watchtowers are going to go back to a Jesus with no beard in its illustrations?

  That reminds me. Do JWs depict Jesus in their skits? If so, does he sport a beard?